1 00:00:09,430 --> 00:00:07,510 so obviously that's japan on the right 2 00:00:11,190 --> 00:00:09,440 hand side and that uh 3 00:00:12,870 --> 00:00:11,200 that's the light pollution i guess over 4 00:00:15,749 --> 00:00:12,880 tokyo because 5 00:00:18,870 --> 00:00:15,759 that's that's centered right over the 6 00:00:20,070 --> 00:00:18,880 kanto area the plane where tokyo is 7 00:00:22,470 --> 00:00:20,080 located 8 00:00:25,029 --> 00:00:22,480 and i'm very close to there i'm in 9 00:00:27,750 --> 00:00:25,039 yokohama which is part of 10 00:00:28,830 --> 00:00:27,760 sort of the tokyo metropolitan area 11 00:00:31,589 --> 00:00:28,840 which 12 00:00:34,630 --> 00:00:31,599 uh i don't know actually it's somewhere 13 00:00:37,030 --> 00:00:34,640 between 30 and 45 million people in this 14 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:37,040 metropolitan area um i was saying 15 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,800 earlier to someone i think it's the most 16 00:00:44,229 --> 00:00:40,960 densely populated city in the world but 17 00:00:45,590 --> 00:00:44,239 not the largest metropolitan area uh 18 00:00:47,350 --> 00:00:45,600 anyways um 19 00:00:49,029 --> 00:00:47,360 here's how i sort of organized my talk 20 00:00:50,069 --> 00:00:49,039 here today um 21 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:50,079 just a little bit more on a 22 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:51,520 self-introduction 23 00:00:56,310 --> 00:00:54,239 uh then to talk a little bit about japan 24 00:00:58,389 --> 00:00:56,320 and how it's been shaped by history and 25 00:01:00,310 --> 00:00:58,399 culture and religion and 26 00:01:02,709 --> 00:01:00,320 and a little bit about their thinking 27 00:01:06,310 --> 00:01:02,719 here in japan because i think what 28 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:06,320 you'll find is that sort of uh dovetails 29 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:07,840 into sort of 30 00:01:14,710 --> 00:01:11,040 uh why maybe edge science kind of 31 00:01:16,630 --> 00:01:14,720 activities and ideas and concepts maybe 32 00:01:19,510 --> 00:01:16,640 maybe have a little bit of greater 33 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:19,520 acceptance here than other places 34 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:20,640 in the 35 00:01:25,910 --> 00:01:23,759 western world and 36 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:25,920 then i'll go into talking a little bit 37 00:01:29,749 --> 00:01:28,799 about the ssc japan organization which 38 00:01:32,469 --> 00:01:29,759 uh 39 00:01:34,390 --> 00:01:32,479 um i stumbled across actually maybe 40 00:01:35,510 --> 00:01:34,400 about five years ago by 41 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:35,520 um 42 00:01:41,510 --> 00:01:39,360 reading the book by bernard heisch on 43 00:01:44,550 --> 00:01:41,520 the god theory and that really just got 44 00:01:47,350 --> 00:01:44,560 me down the path to exploring sse and 45 00:01:49,190 --> 00:01:47,360 and here i am today and in 2018 46 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:49,200 i decided to start up a local 47 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:52,840 organization we'll talk about that 48 00:01:56,950 --> 00:01:55,200 okay so 49 00:01:59,109 --> 00:01:56,960 um 50 00:02:00,709 --> 00:01:59,119 as annalisa said i've been here over 20 51 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:00,719 years in japan 52 00:02:05,109 --> 00:02:03,119 still an american citizen uh 53 00:02:07,030 --> 00:02:05,119 but a permanent resident which gives me 54 00:02:10,469 --> 00:02:07,040 all the rights that japanese people have 55 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:10,479 except for i'm not able to vote 56 00:02:15,670 --> 00:02:12,560 wife and two children all three of them 57 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:15,680 essentially made in japan 58 00:02:18,630 --> 00:02:16,480 and 59 00:02:21,510 --> 00:02:18,640 my education was already mentioned 60 00:02:24,229 --> 00:02:21,520 and my employment was already mentioned 61 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:24,239 so i spent most of my career in biotech 62 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:26,560 bioscience 63 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:29,440 large companies like millipore thermal 64 00:02:32,550 --> 00:02:30,480 fissure 65 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:32,560 small companies like repurcell which is 66 00:02:38,070 --> 00:02:35,040 a small stem cell company here and now 67 00:02:38,949 --> 00:02:38,080 yokogawa which is a huge uh engineering 68 00:02:40,790 --> 00:02:38,959 firm 69 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:40,800 but they're moving from sort of the 70 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:42,400 chemical or 71 00:02:45,110 --> 00:02:43,680 moving into 72 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:45,120 sort of the 73 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:47,120 pharmaceutical biopharmaceutical area 74 00:02:50,229 --> 00:02:48,480 from the 75 00:02:52,229 --> 00:02:50,239 perspective of process control and 76 00:02:53,750 --> 00:02:52,239 automation so they have a very small 77 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:53,760 life science group that they're starting 78 00:02:58,309 --> 00:02:55,680 to build now and i'm happy to be a part 79 00:03:01,910 --> 00:02:59,190 so 80 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:01,920 major factors influencing japan today 81 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:03,360 and here's just some bullet points that 82 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:05,360 i thought were interesting that i think 83 00:03:09,589 --> 00:03:08,560 are relevant uh to japanese 84 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:09,599 uh 85 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:10,640 culture 86 00:03:14,550 --> 00:03:12,959 philosophy thinking 87 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:14,560 um 88 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:20,720 for over 1400 years uh japan was kind of 89 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:23,120 in isolation and they wanted it their 90 00:03:27,509 --> 00:03:25,360 way and and actively sought to keep it 91 00:03:28,949 --> 00:03:27,519 that way so the amount of sort of 92 00:03:32,149 --> 00:03:28,959 cultural and 93 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:32,159 ethnical ethnic homogeneity 94 00:03:36,830 --> 00:03:34,959 existed for over 1400 years and the 95 00:03:39,270 --> 00:03:36,840 feudal society lasted until the 96 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:39,280 mid-1800s when commodore perry came 97 00:03:43,509 --> 00:03:40,560 knocking on the 98 00:03:45,990 --> 00:03:43,519 door in shimoda and said hey 99 00:03:47,190 --> 00:03:46,000 open up we want to we want uh trade with 100 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:47,200 you guys 101 00:03:50,710 --> 00:03:48,239 um 102 00:03:53,589 --> 00:03:50,720 it actually has the oldest continual 103 00:03:56,470 --> 00:03:53,599 hereditary monarchy in the world uh that 104 00:03:58,789 --> 00:03:56,480 started in uh the seventh century 105 00:04:02,309 --> 00:03:58,799 at that time the capital of japan was a 106 00:04:04,710 --> 00:04:02,319 place called nada nara is just south of 107 00:04:06,270 --> 00:04:04,720 kyoto and 108 00:04:08,949 --> 00:04:06,280 by count they think there's been about 109 00:04:10,070 --> 00:04:08,959 126 emperors over the 110 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:10,080 uh 111 00:04:13,990 --> 00:04:11,200 thousand 112 00:04:15,670 --> 00:04:14,000 and more years since then 113 00:04:17,909 --> 00:04:15,680 and just a few years ago there was a 114 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:17,919 transition one of the the existing 115 00:04:21,509 --> 00:04:18,959 emperor 116 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:21,519 at that time abdicated the throne to his 117 00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:28,550 culture and society 118 00:04:33,110 --> 00:04:30,479 there's less than three million 119 00:04:35,510 --> 00:04:33,120 foreigners living in japan which is uh 120 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:35,520 about two two and a half percent of the 121 00:04:42,629 --> 00:04:38,320 total population so still you know it's 122 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:42,639 97 and a half percent japanese people um 123 00:04:47,510 --> 00:04:46,080 i first came here in 1996 and uh 124 00:04:49,030 --> 00:04:47,520 it was 125 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:49,040 a very interesting experience because 126 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:50,880 even back then 127 00:04:55,830 --> 00:04:53,280 i still sort of got some especially when 128 00:04:57,909 --> 00:04:55,840 you went to the countryside kind of 129 00:05:01,110 --> 00:04:57,919 interest and curiosity and just being a 130 00:05:03,029 --> 00:05:01,120 foreigner and what are you doing here 131 00:05:05,909 --> 00:05:03,039 interestingly japanese diet was 132 00:05:07,749 --> 00:05:05,919 basically vegetarian for nearly 1300 133 00:05:11,909 --> 00:05:07,759 years and it was until the west sort of 134 00:05:15,029 --> 00:05:11,919 came here that introduced them to 135 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:17,430 beef and meat and 136 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:20,880 everything else so it was largely fish 137 00:05:25,909 --> 00:05:23,520 and tofu and beans and 138 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:25,919 rice of course 139 00:05:30,629 --> 00:05:28,080 nowaday the population 140 00:05:33,749 --> 00:05:30,639 in japan it's the eldest population of 141 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:33,759 any country on earth with over one-third 142 00:05:39,749 --> 00:05:37,120 at the age of 60 years old or older 143 00:05:40,629 --> 00:05:39,759 i think the median age is around 47 144 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:40,639 years 145 00:05:44,070 --> 00:05:43,280 so it's a quite an elderly population 146 00:05:45,590 --> 00:05:44,080 here 147 00:05:47,110 --> 00:05:45,600 um 148 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:47,120 and 149 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:51,360 the future you know it's a declining 150 00:05:55,189 --> 00:05:53,280 workforce declining birth rates 151 00:05:56,550 --> 00:05:55,199 declining marriage rates declining 152 00:05:58,950 --> 00:05:56,560 population 153 00:06:00,950 --> 00:05:58,960 and and it's accelerating so 154 00:06:03,990 --> 00:06:00,960 japan has a very serious problem in the 155 00:06:06,390 --> 00:06:04,000 future with how to deal with this and 156 00:06:08,150 --> 00:06:06,400 the economy and to take care of their 157 00:06:11,110 --> 00:06:08,160 population 158 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:11,120 now religion has a very big impact on 159 00:06:15,189 --> 00:06:13,360 japan's thinking and philosophy and 160 00:06:17,029 --> 00:06:15,199 there's two basic religions in japan 161 00:06:19,990 --> 00:06:17,039 shintoism and buddhism 162 00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:20,000 and shintoism is uniquely japanese 163 00:06:24,309 --> 00:06:22,160 religion with basically a fundamental 164 00:06:26,629 --> 00:06:24,319 belief that sort of all things possess a 165 00:06:28,309 --> 00:06:26,639 spirit and deserve acknowledgement and 166 00:06:31,590 --> 00:06:28,319 respect even that 167 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:31,600 rock on the ground there has a spirit 168 00:06:36,469 --> 00:06:34,240 evil results from evil spirits basically 169 00:06:39,029 --> 00:06:36,479 exerting evil influences 170 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:39,039 so this is about living in harmony with 171 00:06:44,629 --> 00:06:42,800 nature and the spirits of nature 172 00:06:46,629 --> 00:06:44,639 and that coexists alongside with 173 00:06:48,870 --> 00:06:46,639 buddhism which was imported from chinese 174 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:48,880 culture and this buddhism is kind of 175 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:51,120 like a philosophy for developing one's 176 00:06:55,990 --> 00:06:52,880 eternal spirit 177 00:06:57,430 --> 00:06:56,000 possibly over multiple lifetimes 178 00:06:59,670 --> 00:06:57,440 and 179 00:07:03,749 --> 00:06:59,680 my opinion is religion in japan is 180 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:03,759 fairly private low pressure guilt-free 181 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:05,440 and it's really more akin to a 182 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:07,680 philosophy for living and not really a 183 00:07:10,870 --> 00:07:09,440 religion 184 00:07:12,550 --> 00:07:10,880 i think this is quite different than 185 00:07:15,029 --> 00:07:12,560 sort of the usual practice of most 186 00:07:17,029 --> 00:07:15,039 traditional monotheistic world religions 187 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:17,039 i mean japanese people basically don't 188 00:07:22,469 --> 00:07:19,840 consider themselves as having a religion 189 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:22,479 no i'm you know i practice shinto and 190 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:24,720 buddhism i'm not religious basically is 191 00:07:30,150 --> 00:07:26,800 their response 192 00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:32,150 um 193 00:07:37,830 --> 00:07:35,120 very rich history of sort of uh 194 00:07:39,390 --> 00:07:37,840 of folklore and um 195 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:39,400 um 196 00:07:43,909 --> 00:07:42,000 supernatural and uh 197 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:43,919 and this sort of fits with sort of the 198 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:46,400 the concept of shintoism i don't know if 199 00:07:49,029 --> 00:07:47,840 you ever heard of these things called 200 00:07:53,749 --> 00:07:49,039 yokai 201 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:53,759 supernatural monsters or demons 202 00:07:57,990 --> 00:07:56,319 and uh they have many other names and 203 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:58,000 there's hundreds of these sort of 204 00:08:03,670 --> 00:08:00,960 characters that are are are in japanese 205 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:03,680 uh literature historically 206 00:08:07,990 --> 00:08:04,560 um 207 00:08:09,270 --> 00:08:08,000 similar and to oni which is oni which is 208 00:08:11,430 --> 00:08:09,280 a uh 209 00:08:13,189 --> 00:08:11,440 demon essentially so some of the youkai 210 00:08:15,189 --> 00:08:13,199 are actually demons 211 00:08:18,070 --> 00:08:15,199 and demons are generally 212 00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:19,830 evil 213 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:22,400 but some yokai can actually be 214 00:08:25,909 --> 00:08:23,840 be nice 215 00:08:27,830 --> 00:08:25,919 some of them are listed there on right 216 00:08:29,589 --> 00:08:27,840 kappa you know this kind of looks like a 217 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:29,599 cross between a monkey and a turtle 218 00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:31,360 they're mysterious and polite but they 219 00:08:35,829 --> 00:08:34,000 could be malevolent they look underwater 220 00:08:38,389 --> 00:08:35,839 and they like to drown people to possess 221 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:40,469 maybe the one you've heard about before 222 00:08:46,389 --> 00:08:44,000 is that kyokotsu this this sort of forms 223 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:46,399 from an improperly discarded bones of a 224 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:48,800 suicide or a murder victim and 225 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:51,200 when someone unceremoniously buries or 226 00:08:55,590 --> 00:08:53,279 discards the body it instills a grudge 227 00:08:58,470 --> 00:08:55,600 in the bones and then that spirit 228 00:09:00,790 --> 00:08:58,480 basically can transfer its grudge and 229 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:00,800 it remains dormant until disturbed and 230 00:09:06,790 --> 00:09:03,120 this is the person that was portrayed in 231 00:09:08,949 --> 00:09:06,800 the movie japanese movie the ring 232 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:08,959 and then there's these other kinds of 233 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:10,560 you know many many different kinds of 234 00:09:13,990 --> 00:09:11,600 yokai 235 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:14,000 i saw a podcast uh or listened to a 236 00:09:18,230 --> 00:09:16,720 podcast uh a couple of months ago and 237 00:09:20,470 --> 00:09:18,240 basically there's this american guy and 238 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:20,480 this whole podcast is just about yokai 239 00:09:24,550 --> 00:09:23,040 there's just so many to choose from 240 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:24,560 that it just sort of illustrates this 241 00:09:28,310 --> 00:09:26,160 sort of rich 242 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:28,320 folklore and belief in spirits and 243 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:29,120 things 244 00:09:34,070 --> 00:09:31,920 and i think that sort of ties into 245 00:09:35,910 --> 00:09:34,080 now this is my opinion 246 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:35,920 most of this is my opinion i'm not a 247 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:38,640 scholar in japanese uh philosophy or 248 00:09:42,550 --> 00:09:40,080 history or anything 249 00:09:45,190 --> 00:09:42,560 but i've been here for over 20 years and 250 00:09:46,949 --> 00:09:45,200 and i think in general and maybe some of 251 00:09:49,030 --> 00:09:46,959 it is just due to the aging population 252 00:09:52,150 --> 00:09:49,040 is japanese people hold strongly to 253 00:09:55,030 --> 00:09:52,160 traditions and old superstitions and 254 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:55,040 youkai is a good example 255 00:09:58,630 --> 00:09:57,040 and there's lots of sort of 256 00:10:00,790 --> 00:09:58,640 silly things like 257 00:10:02,790 --> 00:10:00,800 my wife being japanese often scolds me 258 00:10:04,470 --> 00:10:02,800 for whistling at night you don't want to 259 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:04,480 whistle at night because that calls the 260 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:06,480 spirits into the house whistling during 261 00:10:10,389 --> 00:10:08,880 the day is okay but don't do it at night 262 00:10:12,870 --> 00:10:10,399 um 263 00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:12,880 japanese people believe in spirits and 264 00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:14,560 unseen world 265 00:10:18,470 --> 00:10:16,240 they seem to be quite accepting because 266 00:10:21,509 --> 00:10:18,480 of this i think of influences or powers 267 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:21,519 beyond sort of modern uh scientific 268 00:10:23,750 --> 00:10:22,800 understanding 269 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:23,760 and 270 00:10:29,829 --> 00:10:27,680 philosophy sort of incorporates this 271 00:10:31,670 --> 00:10:29,839 belief in the connective niche of 272 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:31,680 nature and spirit 273 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:33,440 so i think what this results in is in 274 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:35,120 general japanese people are more 275 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:36,720 accepting of 276 00:10:40,870 --> 00:10:38,880 non-mainstream sort of edge science 277 00:10:42,389 --> 00:10:40,880 concepts and ideas 278 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:42,399 uh 279 00:10:52,870 --> 00:10:44,800 than you know talking to 280 00:10:57,269 --> 00:10:54,550 this is a book that i came across 281 00:10:59,670 --> 00:10:57,279 recently spirituality is a way i haven't 282 00:11:00,949 --> 00:10:59,680 got it yet but why it caught my eye is 283 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:00,959 because one of the authors is a guy 284 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:04,880 named carl becker and i met him actually 285 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:07,760 or i contacted him several months ago 286 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:10,480 and i saw this and he wrote that 287 00:11:14,389 --> 00:11:12,320 japanese spirituality 288 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:14,399 as a way contrasts with western 289 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:16,320 spirituality that tends to be based on 290 00:11:20,389 --> 00:11:18,160 cognitive approach with the background 291 00:11:22,470 --> 00:11:20,399 of mind-body dualism 292 00:11:23,670 --> 00:11:22,480 and didn't quite get that so i sent him 293 00:11:24,550 --> 00:11:23,680 an email and 294 00:11:27,030 --> 00:11:24,560 i think 295 00:11:28,870 --> 00:11:27,040 he kind of confirms what my uh what i 296 00:11:31,430 --> 00:11:28,880 said to you previously and he is an 297 00:11:34,870 --> 00:11:31,440 expert on sort of this kind of stuff 298 00:11:37,350 --> 00:11:34,880 uh philosophy and spirituality in japan 299 00:11:39,269 --> 00:11:37,360 and he wrote back japanese beliefs tend 300 00:11:41,750 --> 00:11:39,279 toward a monistic materialistic 301 00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:41,760 mind-body continuum allowing for 302 00:11:46,150 --> 00:11:44,160 invisible subtle matter and energy but 303 00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:46,160 not treating them as a distinct much 304 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:48,720 less dualistically opposed essence 305 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:50,800 our authors are not entirely consistent 306 00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:53,120 about this and i tend to view this less 307 00:11:55,110 --> 00:11:54,320 as in 308 00:12:10,870 --> 00:11:55,120 an 309 00:12:13,030 --> 00:12:10,880 others in 310 00:12:15,470 --> 00:12:13,040 in treating spirituality from the 311 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:15,480 viewpoint of japan's rich history of 312 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:17,920 parapsychological phenomena 313 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:20,560 most of my co-authors center on work 314 00:12:24,389 --> 00:12:23,120 nature daily life breathing 315 00:12:25,990 --> 00:12:24,399 martial arts 316 00:12:28,790 --> 00:12:26,000 in which spirituality is more 317 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:28,800 description of how gracefully or 318 00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:31,120 unconsciously something is performed 319 00:12:35,030 --> 00:12:33,519 rather than of what essence underlies 320 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:35,040 that consciousness 321 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:36,079 so 322 00:12:40,550 --> 00:12:37,920 i think he kind of confirmed with me 323 00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:40,560 that my experience and thinking on this 324 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:42,160 topic is actually 325 00:12:46,470 --> 00:12:44,320 uh similar 326 00:12:50,829 --> 00:12:46,480 so anyways uh interesting book if's 327 00:12:56,629 --> 00:12:53,590 so i think that sort of sets the stage 328 00:12:58,710 --> 00:12:56,639 to say well okay um 329 00:13:00,150 --> 00:12:58,720 maybe edge science organizations and 330 00:13:02,310 --> 00:13:00,160 activities and 331 00:13:04,790 --> 00:13:02,320 and research in japan are 332 00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:04,800 a bit more open or accepted and 333 00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:07,360 practiced and so i tried to look into 334 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:09,360 this a little bit more deeply 335 00:13:13,509 --> 00:13:11,600 now to be honest i may be familiar with 336 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:13,519 one of these organizations but i found a 337 00:13:17,190 --> 00:13:15,600 whole bunch and i just wanted to outline 338 00:13:19,110 --> 00:13:17,200 them for you but i don't really know 339 00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:19,120 that much about them 340 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:20,480 in fact of course 341 00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:23,360 in the last year you know i haven't been 342 00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:25,600 able to reach out too much to anybody or 343 00:13:29,030 --> 00:13:26,880 to to meet with any of these 344 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:29,040 organizations other than one 345 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:30,320 um 346 00:13:34,150 --> 00:13:32,320 and 347 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:34,160 this organization i think is is the 348 00:13:37,829 --> 00:13:36,000 world most well-known and this one i do 349 00:13:39,509 --> 00:13:37,839 have an affiliation with i know dr 350 00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:39,519 yamamoto quite well 351 00:13:44,069 --> 00:13:41,040 and that's the international society of 352 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:44,079 life information science uh italy 353 00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:44,959 um 354 00:13:49,509 --> 00:13:47,040 so they they publish a journal in 355 00:13:51,269 --> 00:13:49,519 symposiums uh twice yearly 356 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:51,279 pre-covet i mean it's kind of been 357 00:13:54,949 --> 00:13:52,800 difficult now in the last year and a 358 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:54,959 half or so 359 00:13:59,269 --> 00:13:57,120 their latest issue one delayed issues of 360 00:14:00,230 --> 00:13:59,279 the uh journal is shown there on the 361 00:14:01,110 --> 00:14:00,240 right 362 00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:01,120 and 363 00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:03,040 bill actually contributed a one-page 364 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:06,000 article uh to this uh journal just to 365 00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:07,920 congratulate them on their 50th 366 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:11,750 for 367 00:14:14,949 --> 00:14:13,279 their organization 368 00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:14,959 um 369 00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:16,959 it's very exciting at this point because 370 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:18,639 they're in the process of building a new 371 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:20,880 building under construction which is i 372 00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:22,480 think a four-story 373 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:25,920 uh research building and office for this 374 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:28,800 organization um that those pictures are 375 00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:30,480 from a year ago and i couldn't get any 376 00:14:34,389 --> 00:14:32,880 recent pictures uh that i think are you 377 00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:34,399 must already have the framework and 378 00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:36,000 stuff up and so 379 00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:37,600 they are really moving forward and 380 00:14:41,509 --> 00:14:40,160 investing some money that i'm not quite 381 00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:41,519 sure where it comes from but 382 00:14:47,829 --> 00:14:44,000 nevertheless uh this organization is 383 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:49,750 um 384 00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:51,440 [Music] 385 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:54,079 psy institute of japan and japan psychic 386 00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:57,360 science association these are 387 00:15:00,949 --> 00:14:59,600 organizations that i was able to find 388 00:15:02,710 --> 00:15:00,959 the one on the left there to psy 389 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:02,720 institute uh 390 00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:07,040 has published uh annually since 1976 391 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:09,040 and show an interest in all classical 392 00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:11,440 sci phenomena 393 00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:13,040 the one on the right there is a little 394 00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:15,920 bit more of a outreach program where 395 00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:19,199 they have workshops and courses offered 396 00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:22,079 uh whereas the one on the left is is is 397 00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:23,040 uh 398 00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:26,320 maybe more focused academically 399 00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:28,880 this psychic science association is 400 00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:31,199 officially formed in 2012 so it's more 401 00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:37,189 there's something called the subtle 402 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:39,519 energy association of japan established 403 00:15:44,949 --> 00:15:42,560 in 1995 i wasn't aware of this until i 404 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:44,959 started researching um for this 405 00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:46,160 presentation 406 00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:48,560 uh they study on the nature and 407 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:50,880 consciousness and and the energy that 408 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:53,040 connects to the universe and all life 409 00:15:58,330 --> 00:15:55,240 it's kind of a society of 410 00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:58,340 intellectualism and spiritualism and 411 00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,399 [Music] 412 00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:02,639 they don't seem to be publishing 413 00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,600 journals since 2016 414 00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:07,360 but they are still a existing 415 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:09,199 organization 416 00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:11,680 there is a parapsychology association in 417 00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:16,550 publishes twice a year was established 418 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:19,040 in 1968 419 00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:20,160 but 420 00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:22,800 again this organization uh the website 421 00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:24,720 seemed quite old and it didn't seem like 422 00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,040 it was updated but when talking with dr 423 00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:29,440 yamamoto he says that he still has some 424 00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:31,279 some affiliations and work with this 425 00:16:35,110 --> 00:16:33,360 organization so it still does exist 426 00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:35,120 although um 427 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,509 i found something called a society for 428 00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:43,440 mind-body science 429 00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:45,440 since 1991 430 00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:48,160 formed to address anxiety moral decline 431 00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:53,749 combines approaches and ideas 432 00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:55,759 encompassing modern science with 433 00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:58,480 traditional practices like 434 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,519 he and feng shui and zen 435 00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:04,400 and it's an exploration of spirituality 436 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:06,240 and consciousness and they have a 437 00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:09,439 academic journal and a magazine 438 00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:11,839 similar to like the the ssc in that 439 00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:17,590 there's a transpersonal society 440 00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:20,640 which has uh similar sort of 441 00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:23,520 goals and ideas i believe 442 00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:25,919 and has outreach sort of workshops and 443 00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:28,960 seminars and webinars and also a 444 00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:33,750 um 445 00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:35,120 and now if we think about sort of 446 00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:37,679 medical let me close this 447 00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:39,600 light to start come through here the 448 00:17:41,770 --> 00:17:41,440 window in the morning 449 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:41,780 um 450 00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:43,280 [Music] 451 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:44,080 the 452 00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:46,320 alternative and complementary 453 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:49,440 traditional medicine in japan um 454 00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:50,320 is 455 00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:54,480 china um 456 00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:56,480 and there's this japanese association 457 00:17:59,909 --> 00:17:58,160 for alternative complementary and 458 00:18:03,750 --> 00:17:59,919 traditional medicine and i found a 459 00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,760 japanese society for oriental medicine 460 00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,760 and that first one up top is kind of a 461 00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:07,520 public service where if you're looking 462 00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,280 for something you can go to that website 463 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:11,280 and you can find doctors and clinics 464 00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,080 that support this 465 00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:16,240 the one on the bottom society is more of 466 00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:18,880 an academic society 467 00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:20,880 that has meetings and conferences that 468 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,160 are investigating and studying uh kind 469 00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:26,000 of these kinds of alternative and 470 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:28,559 complementary medicine so this is called 471 00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:31,200 kampo in japan 472 00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:33,520 and it's sort of 473 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,080 traditional chinese style medicine that 474 00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,240 was introduced early in 475 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:40,799 japan's history around the time that 476 00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:46,150 formed as a nation state in the seventh 477 00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:47,120 century 478 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:49,039 but it has been adapted over time and 479 00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:51,840 modified to suit japanese culture 480 00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:54,960 interestingly there's over 148 compo 481 00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,200 formulations that are covered by the 482 00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:59,760 national health insurance here in japan 483 00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,200 so 484 00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,039 you can get treatment and 485 00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:05,200 in these alternative medicines and that 486 00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:07,760 does fall within japanese 487 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,310 um 488 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,150 police part of this kind of traditional 489 00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:28,559 medicine is of course reiki which i 490 00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:31,440 think is uniquely japanese um 491 00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:32,400 and 492 00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,960 uh it's a there's a non-profit holistic 493 00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:36,559 reiki organization that aims to 494 00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,160 contribute to society and health by 495 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:39,679 spreading this through volunteer 496 00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:41,440 activities and healing 497 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,559 and 498 00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:44,160 there's an international center for 499 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,679 reiki training 500 00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,440 and then there's lots of private clinics 501 00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,679 around japan um 502 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,840 i put that one name down there life 503 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,280 forces because 504 00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,760 they're just one of many private clinics 505 00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:58,080 that practice reiki and acupuncture and 506 00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:01,520 many many types of alternative medicine 507 00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,559 but we did have a speaker in our japan 508 00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:07,039 sse event our 10th event that we had 509 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,799 here in japan from the life forces 510 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:10,720 institute and i'll just show you some 511 00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:14,640 pictures of that uh in a moment so 512 00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:17,039 sort of medical organizations and 513 00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:24,470 prevalent here 514 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,520 okay 515 00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,760 let's shift a little bit and talk about 516 00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:29,919 our organization um 517 00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,919 that's my little adaptation of the logo 518 00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:34,000 that analisa has created i hope she's 519 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,510 okay so 520 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:42,960 the first thing is 521 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,350 that 522 00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:49,760 the this organization 523 00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,640 um 524 00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,880 when i decided to start this 525 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,880 i kind of reached out to all of my 526 00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,240 friends and colleagues that i thought 527 00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:57,840 might be interested 528 00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,840 and from that i came up with about 20 529 00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,200 people that said yeah that's kind of 530 00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,200 cool i mean i'd like to meet talk about 531 00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,520 that i'm interested in that 532 00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,720 um 533 00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,799 and then one of those persons in that 534 00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:10,880 organization basically says well have 535 00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,360 you ever heard of meetup and 536 00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,360 if you put this on meetup you'll find a 537 00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,440 lot of other people that are interested 538 00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,120 so this meetup organization is an 539 00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,760 international sort of 540 00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,320 social networking site and you can go in 541 00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,240 there and you create a 542 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,840 special 543 00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:30,400 group and i called it the society for 544 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,520 scientific exploration sse japan 545 00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:35,679 and you describe what that is and what 546 00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,120 you want to accomplish and look and 547 00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,120 how often you want to meet and just put 548 00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:42,720 a description there 549 00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,520 and anybody that is a member will go 550 00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,960 through various search terms when they 551 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,880 sign up and say oh i'm in hundreds of 552 00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,640 search terms i'm interested in this this 553 00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,159 this this this and they just make check 554 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,320 marks so anytime there's a new group 555 00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,320 that comes online if it hits one of your 556 00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,720 check marks you're given a notice 557 00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:01,600 so through this basically 558 00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,320 i have now currently 47 members through 559 00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,240 the meetup organization 560 00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:08,960 so in total there's maybe 68 members 561 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:11,679 that have expressed an interest 562 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,320 in the organization that are on my 563 00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,320 communication list on my email list 564 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:18,240 mostly and i can contact them through 565 00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:23,909 when we have meetings of course we don't 566 00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,880 get 567 00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,200 68 people coming to our meetings 568 00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:28,960 in fast mostly we're getting somewhere 569 00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:32,480 between 10 to 15 to 20 that maybe show 570 00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:35,840 up for any meetings that that we have 571 00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,760 we hold our meetings at this national 572 00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:39,679 institute of informatics 573 00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,640 so i i may be the sole ssc 574 00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,720 organizer or 575 00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,120 the person really in charge of this but 576 00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:48,720 frederick here gets a lot of credit 577 00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:51,520 because he has volunteered use of their 578 00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:55,120 institute and gets us uh 579 00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,400 space uh for free and access most almost 580 00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,480 anytime we want it and it's right in 581 00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,919 central tokyo 582 00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,799 and uh in fact it's very close to the uh 583 00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:05,679 uh 584 00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:09,200 basically in the middle of the screen 585 00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,159 there 586 00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,919 so so frederick's been very helpful in 587 00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:14,159 getting this organized 588 00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,200 um 589 00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:18,000 so prior events we've held we held about 590 00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,960 10 591 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,720 meetup events up until the beginning of 592 00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,720 about last year 593 00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,640 and these have ranged from 594 00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:26,000 from 595 00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:26,960 uh 596 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,400 just us as as participants talking about 597 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:32,880 various topics like anomalous personal 598 00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:34,840 experiences 599 00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,280 uh paranormal research uh 600 00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,039 ghostly phenomena 601 00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,760 mind body debate i basically announced a 602 00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,919 topic in advance so this is what we're 603 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,679 gonna talk about i'll leave the 604 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,600 discussion 605 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,440 find something that's of interest to you 606 00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,960 that you know about this that you 607 00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,440 experience do a little research watch a 608 00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,600 youtube video and then let's just get 609 00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,400 together and and just discuss it 610 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:01,760 uh from 611 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:04,720 from sort of an ssc perspective of a 612 00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:08,240 scientific exploration uh perspective 613 00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,039 and 614 00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,279 so most of what we've done has been that 615 00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,120 kind of a social uh 616 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,799 interaction 617 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:17,120 there are scientists 618 00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:20,080 that participate in this organization 619 00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:21,200 um 620 00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,520 half of them are japanese half are 621 00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:26,799 foreigners 622 00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,360 we're mostly holding in english 623 00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:31,279 this is an english sort of group 624 00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,880 um a lot of bilingual people of course 625 00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:36,559 and so it's been very 626 00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:40,480 nice uh uh fruitful conversations 627 00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,520 um 628 00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,679 i've also had a few guests i mean we had 629 00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:46,400 some guests from like uh 630 00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,840 and emoto's work on the water crystals 631 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,360 i had uh 632 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,960 some complimentary and alternative 633 00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,120 medicine exploration with a couple of 634 00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,600 different guests and then some 635 00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,240 multiple sensorial media mulch media 636 00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,000 kind of kind of 637 00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,400 discussion so it's been a variety of 638 00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,159 different things 639 00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,919 we haven't done anything since colbit 640 00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:09,440 sort of hit though 641 00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,799 as an as a get together basically 642 00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:14,799 our last event was kind of the most fun 643 00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,440 i think we had these speakers which were 644 00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:19,919 chris earnshaw who's sort of got himself 645 00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,400 involved in biomagnetic therapy 646 00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,679 um 647 00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,360 and talked all about sort of that 648 00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,600 concept and his experiences with that 649 00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,240 and and i think he was really excited 650 00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:31,600 about the 651 00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:33,270 uh 652 00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:38,870 the treatment successful treatments he's 653 00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,480 had with uh 654 00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:44,640 uh 655 00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:49,360 muscular dystrophy or some other kind 656 00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,880 some kinds of muscular disabilities and 657 00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,480 he he was 658 00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,000 i'm sorry i'm blanking on exactly but uh 659 00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,159 he he was very excited about this and he 660 00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,720 was kind of shifting his career more 661 00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,200 over to practicing this more fully 662 00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:06,720 full-time 663 00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,440 life forces organization um 664 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,960 they were there to talk about their 665 00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,120 alternative medicine and clinic that 666 00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,960 they have and usually with these 667 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,279 meetings we get together we have we've 668 00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,640 maybe have some presentations some 669 00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,919 discussion and then we head down the 670 00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:21,600 street to this nepalese restaurant and 671 00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,480 have 672 00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,480 a little social hour with dinner and 673 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,919 drinks 674 00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:27,760 occasionally we've had some 675 00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,559 just pure social meetings and i thought 676 00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,799 this was kind of a cool place uh that's 677 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,120 on this next slide uh there's a place in 678 00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,320 tokyo called science bar incubator and 679 00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,400 this basically is a bar 680 00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:42,559 and they serve all your drinks and and 681 00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:47,039 food with forceps and petri plates and 682 00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,320 drinks and 683 00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,960 flasks and beakers and different ways of 684 00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,799 concoctions of mixing things and 685 00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:54,559 filtering things it's just it's 686 00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,080 hilarious and it's very entertaining uh 687 00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,480 i i very much enjoy uh visiting this 688 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:02,159 place and this guy who's the 689 00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:04,840 owner and proprietor is a 690 00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:08,000 uh a professor at some local university 691 00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,830 um and then there's other interesting 692 00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,760 meetup groups that people that are in my 693 00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,600 group are also belong to other some 694 00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,240 other groups for instance this tokyo et 695 00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:22,960 contact group which is involved by in 696 00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,080 ce5 activities and we have an event 697 00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,000 actually next week that i'm planning on 698 00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:29,679 participating in 699 00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,399 there's a tokyo space event and this has 700 00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,799 actually got people involved and we have 701 00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,399 a lot of speakers coming professional 702 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:37,919 speak for 703 00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,600 professionals to speak about uh 704 00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:43,200 astronomy and 705 00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:44,399 uh 706 00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,360 they come from nassar jacksaw other 707 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,120 organizations 708 00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,640 that are very 709 00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,039 interesting mostly science very science 710 00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:55,279 or science oriented 711 00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,399 and then 712 00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,520 ones more around ai and tech industry 713 00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,520 and things like that so a lot of 714 00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,279 interesting meetup groups that some 715 00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,120 people in our organization are also part 716 00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:07,279 of 717 00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,399 um 718 00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,679 okay 719 00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,799 so 720 00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:12,799 um the other thing that in this last 721 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,240 year uh i got involved with is is 722 00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,840 helping bill uh 723 00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,480 bankston with uh 724 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,559 a research project that we started here 725 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:23,760 in tokyo 726 00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,320 uh so when i met bill two years ago um 727 00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,279 back in 728 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:29,039 um 729 00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,720 the ssc meeting in den colorado area uh 730 00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,000 he mentioned to me some of the 731 00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:38,080 difficulties he had with sort of doing 732 00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,760 some animal research in the states 733 00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:40,720 because 734 00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,760 guidelines around euthanasia and cruelty 735 00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:50,880 to animals and universities not being 736 00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,080 willing to risk any sort of uh bad 737 00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,000 publicity and 738 00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,880 and the kind of work that that 739 00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,720 may need to be done in these experiments 740 00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,360 may be a survival study which means you 741 00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,840 basically want the animals to 742 00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,320 live or die essentially in the long run 743 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:11,120 and that kind of work isn't done 744 00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:14,880 very frequently anymore uh 745 00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,000 and so we were wondering about 746 00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,760 what it was like in japan 747 00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,559 now interestingly in japan 748 00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:24,000 they have the same 749 00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:25,120 animal 750 00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,640 uh research guidelines that they have in 751 00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,760 the states 752 00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,799 um 753 00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,399 but 754 00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,039 in japan there's not the 755 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,000 concern about animal rights activists 756 00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,960 and bad publicity and things like that 757 00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,640 and i think and this sort of goes to 758 00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,919 sort of a japanese thinking and 759 00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:46,240 philosophy again where i kind of feel 760 00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,159 this sort of in japan there's 761 00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:52,640 right and wrong are extremes 762 00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,880 but most of its gray area in the middle 763 00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,360 which is different than 764 00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,520 rules and regulations rules and 765 00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,320 regulations are black and white that's 766 00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:07,520 the rule that's the law you obey it 767 00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:10,480 but right and wrong is very gray 768 00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,360 and 769 00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:12,960 that 770 00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,480 guidelines are really not rules they're 771 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,679 guidelines and so in japan uh 772 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,000 what we found out was yes those are the 773 00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,320 guidelines but if you have a good 774 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,159 reason to want to 775 00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,559 stretch beyond those guidelines well if 776 00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,799 you can justify that okay then it's all 777 00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,559 right and so 778 00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,279 we contracted with the tokyo university 779 00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:37,039 of agriculture and technology which is 780 00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,559 the best 781 00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,799 we call it a veterinary institute in 782 00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,919 japan 783 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:43,679 professors shown down here at the bottom 784 00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,720 uh dr matsuda and tanaka are the ones 785 00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,120 running this project and we're working 786 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:51,039 with three different cancer cell lines 787 00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,320 three different strains of mice and uh 788 00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:56,640 working with the bengston healing method 789 00:31:05,590 --> 00:30:57,600 uh 790 00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,600 test that on the tumor formation in 791 00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:08,399 these mice um 792 00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,120 so this current that publication listed 793 00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:13,600 up there uh is a research that is being 794 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,279 sort of expanded in this follow-up study 795 00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,799 employing this healing method using 796 00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,720 digitally recorded uh information and 797 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,480 there's some pictures of the 798 00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,960 mice right there getting uh some audio 799 00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:25,919 treatment 800 00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,399 so this is currently underway in the 801 00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,559 first half of the experiment is being 802 00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,399 done right now and so we're 803 00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:35,440 uh weekly uh monitoring this and working 804 00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,799 with these this organization 805 00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,399 okay so we've got this 806 00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:43,360 activity uh research activity going on 807 00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,240 now in japan which is quite exciting 808 00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,200 now just looking ahead post pandemic 809 00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,200 what's the plans well 810 00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,200 i'm continuing to provide email updates 811 00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,960 to japan members we're getting news 812 00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,880 journal magazine releases and other 813 00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,039 information about the ssc to try to keep 814 00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,960 interest in the group live 815 00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,559 but the big question is when do we 816 00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,640 restart meetups 817 00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,559 we're in a lockdown right now there's 818 00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,559 about five thousand cases a day which is 819 00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:11,039 at a peak right now i've covered so it's 820 00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,720 kind of a issue right now um 821 00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,080 eventually i'm sure we'll get back 822 00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,399 together but right now at the moment 823 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,640 that still doesn't look likely 824 00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,080 there's some interesting speakers that i 825 00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,760 think they've lined up in the future 826 00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,080 that one author i mentioned earlier carl 827 00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,720 carl becker who's sort of involved in 828 00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,720 medical ethics spiritual care for the 829 00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:32,720 dying near-death studies things like 830 00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,519 that 831 00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,120 he's been in japan 832 00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,080 more than 40 years he's an american 833 00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,679 petroleum who was 834 00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,440 wants to do we want to do more in 835 00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,360 complementary and alternative technology 836 00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,200 healing technologies 837 00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:47,120 mark caprosky who's the leader of the et 838 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,480 contract group 839 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,640 like to have him come and talk about ce5 840 00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,480 global activities and 841 00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,679 and the disclosure sort of thing that's 842 00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,080 got everybody excited about uh in the 843 00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,000 states uh what are they gonna release 844 00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,000 what's what's coming down the pipe 845 00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,919 in terms of information 846 00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,080 and uh and then there's this researcher 847 00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,799 at tokyo university who i found recently 848 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:10,960 did some interesting work with magnetic 849 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,000 field influence on cell biology uh and 850 00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,080 this is highly related to sort of 5g 851 00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,080 communications and 852 00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,399 what's really the story with 5g and what 853 00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:22,320 kind of an effect does that have 854 00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,120 so 855 00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,399 um 856 00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,000 uh that's something i want to do in the 857 00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:28,480 future as well i want to cultivate sort 858 00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,679 of an ssc global relationship with uh 859 00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:32,799 uh 860 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,120 research institute 861 00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,240 in in chiba uh because they're really 862 00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,440 interested in in building some more uh 863 00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,440 closely with the ssc 864 00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,279 and then finally i have a new hobby 865 00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,200 astrophotography i've been out most of 866 00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:52,080 the night tonight last night uh so i may 867 00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,919 actually form a new meetup group in 868 00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:56,080 astrophotography so 869 00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,600 basically uh 870 00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,399 that's what i had to present uh 871 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,559 that's what's going on here and i think 872 00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,720 that's how it sort of fits together 873 00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,640 and i hope this made some sense and was 874 00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:08,079 uh interest 875 00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,520 to you guys 876 00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,720 so i will start with a 877 00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,280 question let's see here um well this 878 00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,000 comes from the ssc president bill benson 879 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,720 it says do japanese scientists view 880 00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:22,480 anomalies differently than their western 881 00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:31,909 well i think what i i've tried to 882 00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,639 communicate is i think they're more uh 883 00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,839 open to 884 00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:37,119 to 885 00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:38,159 uh 886 00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:41,440 the possibilities that they exist and 887 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:42,480 the 888 00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,480 anomalous and that's okay uh i don't 889 00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,480 have to dismiss it as being 890 00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,520 uh 891 00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,320 outside of the box 892 00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,119 um but do they view it differently i 893 00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,440 actually don't know um 894 00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,440 i know bill that you've seen with me as 895 00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,359 we've talked with the uh 896 00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,839 professors at the university of tokyo 897 00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:07,920 that 898 00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,480 you know as we describe what we're doing 899 00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,119 and the tools we're using and what we 900 00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:15,680 expect to happen you know these 901 00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,480 very 902 00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,640 mainstream professional scientists you 903 00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,640 know though they snicker and 904 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,400 they enjoy talking about it but they're 905 00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,480 really fascinated with trying it and 906 00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,839 just to see 907 00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:28,160 uh you know 908 00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,599 all right well 909 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,680 we can deal with that um 910 00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,359 so i don't have an answer if they view 911 00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,440 it differently they uh but they're i 912 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,119 think more accepting of it here are you 913 00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,280 aware this is from john alexander are 914 00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,359 you aware of the japanese presentations 915 00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:43,119 presented at our meeting in southern 916 00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,880 california believe it was 1995. they 917 00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,440 demonstrated applications of key that 918 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:52,000 were truly dramatic no i mean 919 00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,520 honestly 920 00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:55,280 i really just sort of getting involved 921 00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,400 with sort of 922 00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:58,240 this kind of edge science stuff in the 923 00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,040 last 924 00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,040 four or five years so before that's just 925 00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,480 a complete black box to me yeah 926 00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:06,960 marilyn schlitz asks uh she's asking 927 00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,520 what about the i can't pronounce this 928 00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,760 peace foundation 929 00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,119 she said she's collaborated with him 930 00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:14,720 over the years 931 00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:20,470 piece 932 00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,589 no i'm not at all i've collabed with 933 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,200 them over the years also will brand and 934 00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,599 i posed the first study of reiki healing 935 00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,800 many years ago um 936 00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:36,880 no unfortunately i'm not but i'll i'll 937 00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,680 put that on my list of uh organizations 938 00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:41,520 to just uh take a look at what they're 939 00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,720 up to i i don't i don't know them 940 00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,640 yeah something to check out perhaps i 941 00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:49,280 would say one thing though is that um 942 00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,720 you know what i 943 00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:53,440 basically what i i scanned the internet 944 00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,800 and talked with professor or dr yamamoto 945 00:37:05,349 --> 00:36:57,760 and 946 00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,359 i don't really have interaction with 947 00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,520 those organizations it's hard for me to 948 00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,520 interact with them unless i actually 949 00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,000 attend a meeting and 950 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,920 and meet people face to face and 951 00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:15,760 obviously not a lot of that has occurred 952 00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,030 um 953 00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,960 daishin asks uh there have been a few 954 00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,119 side gifted people from china living in 955 00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:29,359 japan do you know if they are still 956 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,950 so 957 00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,680 um 958 00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:39,839 uh 959 00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,079 they're certainly not at the italy 960 00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:45,359 institute itself i haven't met any 961 00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:46,560 um 962 00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,400 although that interestingly they are 963 00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,839 expanding that and he's actually 964 00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,480 recruiting and will be hiring uh 965 00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,160 an increased staff when that new 966 00:38:02,950 --> 00:37:59,920 building is built 967 00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,710 whether or not there's an affiliation 968 00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,880 with some chinese scientists here in 969 00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,119 japan that have 970 00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,680 uh affiliated with islay 971 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,400 i'm not aware of that uh it could be but 972 00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,320 i'm sorry i don't have any information 973 00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,560 on that um i have not seen any 974 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:21,440 publications in the sleep journal though 975 00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,640 with chinese scientists recently so that 976 00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,880 at least within the last two years or 977 00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,030 um along those lines uh glenn ryan asks 978 00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,960 are are any of the societies with 979 00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:36,400 journals attached 980 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,190 only isley as far as i know 981 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:48,310 okay um 982 00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,200 well 983 00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,359 i've only um 984 00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,119 i know they're all published in japanese 985 00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,880 now if you submitted an article to them 986 00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,320 in english because you were interested 987 00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,560 in public singing in their journal 988 00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:00,320 i bet they would be quite receptive to 989 00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,520 it um 990 00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,880 but uh 991 00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,720 they don't routinely publish in english 992 00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,640 yeah 993 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:08,560 all right uh oh let's see i answered 994 00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:11,359 that one um dane also asked can you post 995 00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,640 the information in the paper that you 996 00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:14,960 just mentioned mentioned the one on 997 00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:17,440 magnetic fields 998 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,560 uh i have to dig that up um 999 00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,960 uh yeah i can find that uh i think i 1000 00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,960 have your contact information dodging so 1001 00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,680 i will i will send that to you 1002 00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:29,839 uh and deborah's asking could you expand 1003 00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,630 the easy questions today 1004 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,160 yeah so they i mean 1005 00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,480 basically they're cell biologists 1006 00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,960 and uh 1007 00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,040 they were 1008 00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,710 this was an in vitro experiment where 1009 00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:52,560 they were growing 1010 00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,760 i think there was i think it was just 1011 00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:56,160 hela cells you know some basic mammalian 1012 00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,240 cell type uh and exposing them to 1013 00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,240 uh 1014 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,680 various degrees of 1015 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,680 of frequencies of electromagnetic 1016 00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:06,880 radiation 1017 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,040 um 1018 00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:11,920 i'm trying to remember what kind of 1019 00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:16,790 uh 1020 00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,280 what kind of 1021 00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,440 measurement they were taking uh i'm 1022 00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,960 sorry i'm kind of blanking on it now 1023 00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,200 this was a year and a half ago when i 1024 00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,200 saw this and i didn't really follow up 1025 00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,190 but i can 1026 00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,109 i can send you the link to that i saw it 1027 00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,160 i saw it actually in some kind of um 1028 00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:41,920 uh 1029 00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,200 when i noticed it was the university of 1030 00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,200 tokyo and i've always wanted to contact 1031 00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,359 that person so my plans are i haven't 1032 00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,000 really contacted them yet uh to to 1033 00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,319 follow up and um 1034 00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,640 you know if you send me your email or 1035 00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,400 contact me somehow then i'd be happy to 1036 00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,400 sort of pass along 1037 00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,000 that paper reference 1038 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,720 so that question was for from deborah so 1039 00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:08,160 deborah if you need to get in touch with 1040 00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,680 paul just send me an email you know 1041 00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,960 where to find me 1042 00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:12,720 and uh we have one final question at 1043 00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,160 least for a moment um sheila dugan asks 1044 00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,640 can anyone from anywhere join is there 1045 00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,400 an ssc japan 1046 00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,119 online group 1047 00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,520 um no we haven't really done that online 1048 00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:27,440 group um 1049 00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:28,560 i 1050 00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,520 and uh 1051 00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,200 i've kind of felt sort of the the 1052 00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,119 face-to-face interaction in the same 1053 00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,440 room was was good 1054 00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,800 was really 1055 00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,280 conducive to get people to really 1056 00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,680 participate 1057 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,800 um 1058 00:41:52,750 --> 00:41:50,560 part of that i think is because it's 1059 00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,760 kind of cross-cultural and and 1060 00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,720 cross-language and 1061 00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,160 you know if you're in the same room with 1062 00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,560 someone whose english is the second not 1063 00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,000 their first language 1064 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,560 it's much easier to sort of uh get them 1065 00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:05,200 to participate and to discuss and 1066 00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,720 uh but just to do it uh 1067 00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,319 online it 1068 00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:12,079 it just to me it doesn't seem to make 1069 00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,359 sense so 1070 00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,680 unfortunately we have not done that 1071 00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,960 well hopefully we'll get to see you 1072 00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,040 resume your activities very soon i hope 1073 00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,800 so yeah yeah 1074 00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,400 well that is it for our question so 1075 00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,720 thank you for joining us and giving us 1076 00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,359 the uh briefing on your group um very 1077 00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,040 exciting what you've been doing and i